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Post subject: The Sodalitas Latinae Epic Poem Project
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:12 pm
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Okay, so, Mister Goffard is retiring at the end of this year. I think that we owe it to him to do something nice - he's been a really good, dedicated teacher all these years.
Here's my proposal for a project: we write an epic poem about Latin Club/class over these past few years. We'll begin by writing it in English, and then I'll personally translate it into Latin (help would be appreciated, but I'm pretty sure I can do this). There'll be figures of speech and everything.
Offer knows (because the phrase 'Lord knows' just doesn't cut it by comparison) the Latin Club's epic enough for such a thing to be done.
This is the outline I've come up with so far:
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Book I - Early years, the beginnings of the class, the founding of the club, the ‘stalwart warriors’ of the first generation of Latin clubbers, their inside jokes, their first tournaments, their defeat at the hands of Saint Stephens, the glory of Sean Offer.
Book II - The intervening years, the growth of the club, the Pine View Latin Club’s history of sorrows and victories, but in all, how the club prospered in joy under the guidance of the great Goffard, and the battle for the existence of AP Latin.
Book III - The final year, the story of the great AP Latin brigade, how they translated the Aeneid; the quiet diminishment of the Latin Club with the graduation of our finest soldiers, our last competition together, and our final feast.
Yes, it's going to be over-the-top. Yes, it's going to be over-9000. Yes, it's going to be Offer-worthy.
So, if anyone could help me put together the story of what happenned in the early years of the club, and recount anecdotes they'd like to see put in, that'd be much appreciated.
EDIT: I'm going to keep everything done so far in this post. So:
LATIN
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Book I Mentes doctoremque cano, qui venit ab oris Galliorum altis Oceani arcem serpentis; discipulis docuit navis hic linguam Romae. Musa, indagem ab se pro cognitione, labores latos, fortunas casusque, mihi memora iam. Volvendis quinque annis, alcis laboravere sub signo studuereque, pensis et documentis; currerunt certaminibus, fudere et ibi hostes, fusi sunt et ibi hostibus; arrisere inter se, interdum coniurante ad vincendum circlum Gallicum, interdum soccis parem esse cadente, atqui habuerunt pro Sean Offer semper amorem.
ENGLISH
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Book I I sing of a class and its teacher, who came from the shores of France by the depths of the ocean to the citadel of the serpent, at which he taught his scholarly students the language of Rome. Muse, recall now to me their pursuit for knowledge, the hardships they faced, and their fortunes and misfortunes. Over the course of five turning years, they worked and studied beneath the emblem of the moose, by tests and lessons; they battled at tournaments, and there they laid low enemies, and there were laid low by enemies; they smiled together, sometimes from scheming to overthrow the French club, sometimes from failing to match in socks, nevertheless they always had love for Sean Offer.
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Ah, no quiet eulogy for those lost along the way?
Still, though; very sweet gesture. I remember Sofi tried to write an epic poem eulogy for our group, and despite how awesome we clearly are, I daresay Goffard deserves at least that.
I'll be able to help with the early years (it starts with a beseeching of "Anas" and "The Mus", of course), when my brain begins working again. I've totally fizzled out today, though.
Hopefully by then I'll have something to show for my animation efforts and I'll be able to contribute something, myself. I'd forgotten he was retiring.
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Huzzah! All right, so - title. Sodalitas Latinae. This translates, roughly, to 'Latin Club.' (If you want to get technical about it, 'Association/Comradeship of Latin,' but that's about as close as can be gotten.)
I don't know what the order of events for Book I will be, but I think it should begin with Sodalitatem virumque cano, I sing of a man and a club.
Oh, and, I was thinking that as a recurring title for him - sort of like how we have pius Aeneas - we could write 'magnus magister.' Hurray for alliteration, right?
So, it occured to me that some degree of actual organization in getting this done is needed. Here's what I've got in alta mente.
Each 'book' will be roughly 80 lines. So, in total, this epic poem will be about 240 lines. I realize this will be a lot, and I'm almost certain that getting the dactylic hexameter right is going to be a bitch, but again - it's worth it.
To put together each book, we'll each come up with and submit stories relvant to the theme of each book. The stories would have to be really short, punchy, and they ought to be relevant. Try to word it like you'd expect it to be worded in Latin, but don't stress out about that. I'll probably do a bit of editting - well, actually, a lot of editing (again, dactylic hexameter requires synonyms and weird-as-heck words to get it to work [ala, the thing that is deep and not Earth - the sea! We love you, Virgil]).
We'll work one book at a time, first putting together a rough english draft. I'll then translate it. (If you want to help with the translation, feel free to volunteer, but I don't want to pressure people into it. However, people going over my translation and making sure that it's accurate - that, I'd really appreciate.)
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Book I - Early years, the beginnings of the class, the founding of the club, the ‘stalwart warriors’ of the first generation of Latin clubbers, their inside jokes, their first tournaments, their defeat at the hands of Saint Stephens, the glory of Sean Offer.
This is the theme for the first book - so, please, bring stories to the table! I've written an opening section, parallel to that of the Aeneid:
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I sing of a man and a club, of the great teacher who came from the shores of France to the shores of Florida and the great citadel of Pine View, and his scholarly class which studied Latin. Muse, make me remember the struggles to which they went in pursuit of knowledge, their joys and their sorrows, their victories and defeats. Over the course of five years, beneath the emblem of the moose, they worked and studied, by quizzes and translations; over five years, they competed in tournaments, and there they laid low their enemies and were laid low by their enemies; they laughed together, sometimes scheming in jest to overthrow the French Club, sometimes failing to match in socks, and always adoring Sean Offer.
Mentes doctoremque cano, qui venit ab oris Galliorum altis Oceani arcem serpentis; discipulis docuit navis hic linguam Romae.
Translated:
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I sing of minds (metonymy for a class) and a teacher, who came from the shores of the Galls (France) by means of the depths of the Ocean to the citadel of the serpent (because Pine View is untranslatable); he there taught his diligent students the language of Rome.
Notes:
The '-um' of 'Galliorum' is elided with 'altis,' which is a substantive. The '-i' of 'Oceani,' however, is intentionally not elided - the poetic device (hiatus).
The word 'navis' on line three does not come from the third-declension noun 'navis,' it is from the adjective 'navus,' meaning diligent. (For reference, see this page: navus.
I'm not sure if the order of words in line three could be considered interlocked, but discipulis is modified by navis, and docuit is in between them.
Musa, indagem ab se pro cognitione, labores latos, fortunas casusque, mihi memora iam.
Literally:
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Muse, the searching by them for knowledge, the endured labors, the fortunes and misfortunes, recount to me now.
Good-English translation:
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Muse, recount now to me their pursuit of knowledge, the hardships they endured, their fortunes and misfortunes.
Josh, I won't do the entire thing alone. But at least the first book. I know that this sounds really, really strange, but I really do enjoy this. I mean, I'm actually seriously considering writing Latin poetry in my spare time, just because of how much fun I'm having in the writing of this.
I promise I'll let you write some of the second book. If you want to help more immediately, though, recount to me our search for knowledge! Tell me of the time before my time - the Latin class/club from before I joined. I know nothing of that period. Write stories that you think would translate easily into Latin. Short, though. Keep that in mind. Stories like how Erich gave the answer 'iron' in that most infamous of all Certamen rounds, of how Sean Offer became a running gag, of how Saint Stephens evidently beat us (leading to 'Saint Stephens delenda est!'), etc.
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The inside joke list pretty much has everything since the dawn of time (when PVLC first formed). I would caution against looking back to the period before time dawned, as it was a chaotic period filled with blood traitors (people who dropped out after Latin I).
Volvendis quinque annis, alcis laboravere sub signo studuereque, pensis et documentis; currerunt certaminibus, fudere et ibi hostes, fusi sunt et ibi hostibus; arrisere inter se,
Translation:
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Over the course of five turning years, they worked and studied beneath the emblem of the moose, by tests and lessons; they battled at tournaments, and there they laid low enemies, and there were laid low by enemies; they smiled together,
Notes:
- Pensis is a word akin to fluctus. Oh, second declension ablative plural suffixes.
- Certaminibus is an ablative of attendant circumstance.
- I know the sentence is incomplete. I'm still in the process of translating 'sometimes scheming...Sean Offer.' I suspect this will be a bit more difficult than previous lines.
- w00t! Line 9.
Taylor, feel free to check the scansion. I'm pretty sure it all works out.
Okay, stage two. After the introduction, I think the rest of the book should go something like this:
- Certamen team gets owned by Saint Stephens. Really, really flattened.
- Erich recounts the Latin Club's tale, to this point, to some random kid. (The inside jokes, the hardships, the individual tales of each member of the club, etc.)
- Award ceremony with a clusterbomb of names, descriptive adjectives, and awards.
Then onwards to book II, and the tales of Latin Club after its first year!
a) Annis is ablative plural, and according to our textbooks, that is long.
b) Stu (short) - du (short) - er (long, perfect third person plural) - e (short, poetic perfect third person plural ending)
c) Perfect third person plural, 'e' is long.
d) Spondee, dactyl, dactyl, spondee, spondee, spondee.
Fusi sunt et ibi hostibus; arrisere inter se
Fu (long) si (long) sunt (long) et (short) ib (short) [the second 'i' is elided with 'h'] host (long) i (short) bus (short); arr (long) is (long) er (long) [the second 'e' is elided with 'inter'] int (long) er (long by position) se (long).
interdum coniurante ad vincendum circlum Gallicum, interdum soccis parem esse cadente, atqui habuerunt pro Sean Offer semper amorem.
English:
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sometimes from scheming to overthrow the French Club, sometimes from failing to match in socks, nevertheless they always had love for Sean Offer.
Notes:
- Coniurante and cadente are present active participles, and they are in the ablative case to indicate cause (this is coming off of 'they smiled together,' so these are the reasons for which they smiled).
- Ad Vincendum is the gerundive, used for indicating purpose.
- Circlum can be either 'circulum' or 'circlum,' according to the Latin-English dictionary I'm referencing, and 'circlum' is the only way I could make it fit. It basically means club or assembly.
- Sean Offer is decidedly indeclinable. His name's just too awesome to alter. (To note, 'Sean' is one syllable, pronounced as 'Shawn'.)
All right! First twelve lines done. I've been working on it for two weeks now, and this is good.
I'm going to whip up a vocabulary list for the first twelve lines at some point in the near future, for those words that we haven't encountered in the Aeneid or otherwise.
Now we're moving definitely into stage 2. We need to start writing the rest of the first book. So, I've got a few questions that go way, way, way back when.
a) Who was on the Certamen team when we got whooped by Saint Stephens in the match that established them as our rivals?
b) Which tournament did that take place in?
c) What notable events took place at States that year, at the Gross Venor?
d) Sean Offer?
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a. I think that was the Mary-Josh-Sofi (yes? Sofi?) superteam that went against Saint Stephens, because the retard team never began screaming in pain, so...
b. District.
c. Casey got kidnapped, we spat on the Gross Venor statue (from the nineteenth floor), we went on an epic search for the thirteenth floor, and the Disney woman changed shirts 19 times in twenty minutes.
d. Yes please.
Lesse... 'way back when', our first meeting, we were all jumping up and down waving a duck puppet in the air screaming "Anas! Anas!" We also sat in groups and studied, then realized that didn't work.
We threw grass at Richie. We also threw a paper plane at Richie and killed him.
During the first regional competition, that was when we all vowed to wear black shirts and blue jeans, and Erich walked up entirely clad in green. We established a tendency to go to Applebees after competitions. Ethan ate fourteen doughnuts, too. That was pretty impressive.
We learned that Vanilla Coke has magical competition-winning properties, too, but it was only for Team Reject, who wasn't quite Team Retard at the time.
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I hope I'm good enough to send you some crazy-awesome model or something by the end of your school year; I'd love to contribute something a bit more tactile than a "I kind of helped a little with the poem maybe"...
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I hope I'm good enough to send you some crazy-awesome model or something by the end of your school year; I'd love to contribute something a bit more tactile than a "I kind of helped a little with the poem maybe"...
A model... such as of a moose, perhaps? Something to that effect?
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a. I think that was the Mary-Josh-Sofi (yes? Sofi?) superteam that went against Saint Stephens, because the retard team never began screaming in pain, so...
I remember asking Josh about it though, and he said he wouldn't know because he wasn't there at the time. I think we need a third source.
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c. Casey got kidnapped, we spat on the Gross Venor statue (from the nineteenth floor), we went on an epic search for the thirteenth floor, and the Disney woman changed shirts 19 times in twenty minutes.
Please describe this epic search. ^_^
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Lesse... 'way back when', our first meeting, we were all jumping up and down waving a duck puppet in the air screaming "Anas! Anas!" We also sat in groups and studied, then realized that didn't work.
Background for the duck thing? Or is it one of those things that's just better off left unsaid?
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We threw grass at Richie. We also threw a paper plane at Richie and killed him.
Who is Richie? Who threw the fatal plane? Was it an accident? Was it on purpose? (Dun dun dun.)
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During the first regional competition, that was when we all vowed to wear black shirts and blue jeans, and Erich walked up entirely clad in green.
What happenned as a result?
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We established a tendency to go to Applebees after competitions. Ethan ate fourteen doughnuts, too. That was pretty impressive.
Did he eat the doughnuts before or after the competition?
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We learned that Vanilla Coke has magical competition-winning properties, too, but it was only for Team Reject, who wasn't quite Team Retard at the time.
So, we had three teams at the time?
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Well, Mr. Goffard came from the shores of Africa (Morocco),
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Well, he did start off one of his stories as "when I was still French", so... I do remember him mentioning Morocco, though.
Anyway, in order:
1. I mean a computer model. I'mma be an animator (or modeler, or lighting artist, or rigger, or *shot*), so my skillz0rz are relegated to the computer. I'd love to send him a quickie animation of one of the things we read, but I don't think I'll be skilled enough by then (the six-second quickie that we had to do was painful on its own). Which isn't exactly 'tactile', but it's more effort than distant words. Maybe I'll model a chimaera one day... >.>
2. I got it! It was Mary-Caroline-Liz! I'd forgotten that Liz joined us for half a year or so, and somehow I'd forgotten about Caroline's amazing contribution.
3. It was epic. That's all you need to know. We run up and down a lot of buildings. Epicly.
4. There is no background on the duck thing. Sofi had a small duck puppet and we didn't know what the word for 'duck' was. So we found out at the beginning of Latin Club, and that was that.
4a. Speaking of, I now remember that day well... Goffard was introducing us to his small scrapbook collection, and he said the acronym "PVLC", which, at the time, was met with silence. Presumably, everybody was waiting for Goffard to continue (although I believe that nobody wanted to admit that they were trying to decipher the acronym), and I said, more authoratatively than necessary, "That's Pine View Latin Club". And that's inside joke... really early, obviously, it was the first day.
5. Caroline threw the paper airplane. She meant to hit him, but she hit him square in the forehead, with a rather heavy paper airplane, and he collapsed. Mostly unintentional, but downright funny.
6. We made fun of him. Another early inside joke is that Erich never matches.
7. Ethan ate the fourteen doughnuts during that quasi-breakfast at the competition.
8. We had two. We had Team Awesome (Mary-Caroline-Liz, and yes, I'm positive this time) and Team Reject (Me-Abby-Sofi-Richie), (which would later metamorphose into Team Retard, which would undergo a final transformation into Team Speshull).
9. Also, in celebration at the end of the year, Casey chugged a liter of two-year-old Sunkist. He felt rather sick afterward.
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Okay, either someone gives me a complete roster of the first year Latin Club, or I'm going with the one I've patched together/made up:
Erich, Mary, Sofi, Christ, Ethan, Casey, Abbey, Robyn, Hillary, and someone else who has been blacked out of the picture of the club in the 2005 yearbook. Oh no! Truly, Big Brother at work.
I sing of a class and its teacher, who came from the shores of France by the depths of the ocean to the citadel of the serpent, at which he taught his scholarly students the language of Rome. Muse, recall now to me their pursuit for knowledge, the hardships they faced, and their fortunes and misfortunes. Over the course of five turning years, they worked and studied beneath the emblem of the moose, by tests and lessons; they battled at tournaments, and there they laid low enemies, and there were laid low by enemies; they smiled together, sometimes from scheming to overthrow the French club, sometimes from failing to match in socks, nevertheless they always had love for Sean Offer.
It was in the second year of their studies that they formed the team for competing; it was the Pine View Latin Club. Under the leadership of the Great Goffard they joined their first competition, at which they established Saint Stephens’ school as their foremost enemy, and they founded traditions, and created jokes which could only be understood by each other. Such a joyous undertaking it was, to create this fellowship!
Their epic match with Saint Stephens, truly marvelous to speak of, ended tragically with their defeat, although they only lost by a small margin. At the final round of the certamen, the two teams were tied, each with ninety points. The queenly Gaulkosaur spoke with her team in the time between questions, and uttered these words:
“Truly we find ourselves matched! For the Great Goffard and the glory of our club, we must not fail! Have heart, brave companions: I have complete faith in you! And I will also give a thousand Gaulkosaur points to whoever correctly answers the next question, if that will spur you more to victory.” Her team, with a new surge of courage, gripped their buzzers with their hands, and prepared to press. The judge then spoke, and demanded of the two teams, “What was the main source of gladiators in Rome?”
And the stalwart Erich pressed his buzzer instantly, and Mary at once was assured of the victory of the Pine View Latin Club, only to hear Erich speak the word: “Iron.”
As they left the certamen room, the stalwart Erich did not hang his head in shame, but faced the heavens with his face bearing an expression full of pride, for although the Pine View Latin Club had not won the competition, they would have the memory of that hilarious moment forever.
A small child, ignorant of the was of the Pine View Latin Club, desirous of knowing the reason for which they acted so strangely, approached Erich with this question: “Why do your teammates laugh at you so? Is it because of your epic failure to match in socks?”
And the stalwart Erich laughed, and responded thusly: “My teammates do not laugh at me, they laugh with me.”
The rabbit-maiden Sofi heard this and scoffed with a grin on her face: “So he would have you believe! In truth we laugh because he has no friends.”
And Erich thus: “My comrades are amused by our exploits together. We have worked long and hard, and our journey has not been without its rewards. To date, we have created innumerable jokes which will no doubt sound strange to your ears. Here, I shall regale you our tales!”
So Erich, without concern for the boredom of the child, who intently chewed his bubble gum while feigning interest, spoke at length. He recounted the occasion when the word “anas” was chanted for no evident reason; he recounted how Mary was trapped in an elevator with an infinite number of herself; he recounted the club’s inexplicable obsession with syphilys and rocks; and as he explained, and explained further, and explained further still, he remembered that the award ceremony for the competition would soon transpire, and knew that if he were to tell the boy everything, he would speak for an eternity. He tore himself away, and sat down in a seat, and went to the stadium for the awards.
The stately judges called out the names of those who won, and many awards were received by Pine View: stalwart Erich, the queenly Gaulkosaur, the rabbit-maiden Sofi, soulless Ethan, charismatic Casey, savior Christ, the sisters Abbey and Robyn, and tireless Hillary; all were recognized, and attained high ranks in their chosen contests.
The Great Goffard, brimming with pride, addressed them after the concluion of the ceremony with these words: “Congratulations discipuli et discipulalae! You have all done very well, and I hope -- no, I am sure, that your accomplishments here portend well for the future. Let us now celebrate.”
They sought out Applebees by many roads and many cars, and Ethan filled himself with donuts.
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